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Origins of the Modern Conservative Movement: Sam Tanenhaus Explains the Foundations of the American Right

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 20:54

Sam Tanenhaus lays out how Whitaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, and the early Cold War forged the moral and political foundations of the modern conservative movement that still shapes American politics today.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s morning show on December 3, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You have just had an explosion across the battlefield that is American politics here in the Imperial Capitol. You have actually had a senior editor of, I would argue, one of the most, if not the most influential publication on a weekly basis before you had cable TV and podcasts and everything like this, the revered Time Magazine, accused in an open hearing in front of the nation, arguably one of the most respected individuals that had been in government for a long time, had been aide de camp to Roosevelt, the first Secretary General of the United Nations just to get the kickoff, and now leading the most prestigious NGO, the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, as being a Soviet agent. What happens.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, Chambers goes through about eight or nine names and mentions some others, well known, not as well known as his, and the others all go silent. Because, well, if somebody accuses you of something, accuses you of being a communist, you have got to remember, Steve, this is an era where if you are accusing someone of being a communist and they are not, that is potential slander right because it is not. No, read them. Watch them.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And when you watch the movie Oppenheimer, I mean, we went from allies, quote, to now mortal enemies. And not just, it was not just about geopolitics at the time. These are two distinct views of how one views humanity, the world, all of it. This is the story of Whitaker Chambers. Goes from a hardcore, if not Trotsky, you know, Marxist Leninist atheist, to a Christian that is, Christianity informs every movement of his life. And you see this whole battle right there. That is why this is so big. This consumed post war America, the war against, they called it the Cold War, but it got hot in many places. This is what consumed us all the way through President Reagan’s presidency.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Yeah, well, and Chambers insisted it was a moral battle. That is what nobody wanted to hear. It is not just, it is not just moving chess pieces. It is a spiritual war. It is a moral war. That is why, you know, when a friend of mine, I think of yours too, Pat Buchanan, tries to say these things. He tries to say it, and a long time ago, you know, he is hooted off the stage.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Hang on a second. How is one of the leading Jewish intellectuals in the country a friend of what they tell us today is the greatest anti Semite in the nation, Pat Buchanan. I revere Pat Buchanan, but to hear you say that you are a buddy of his is pretty shocking.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, first of all, any journalist who interviews Pat Buchanan knows how straight he is, how direct, how uncensored, and how helpful he will be. And, you know, people are shocked, but there is actually a friend of mine who told me a long time ago before I interviewed Pat Buchanan, said he is a really nice guy. I did not believe it. Then I met him many years.

But there is something else going on here too. Now we are going to get to something that is in the Buckley book if we want to switch over there.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Yeah, we will see it. Because Buckley now comes on the stage. He does come on the stage very shortly. A bit player, but in the wings. But all of a sudden you are going to see the kernels of all this. This is why it is the revolution that changed America. We are now going to get in. It is more than Buckley. It is what Buckley sees down the road.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): That is right. And Pat Buchanan, of course, is still a younger guy than Buckley, but he was raised in all this. Remember, he comes from Washington and he was raised in all this politics. And when Pat Buchanan had his big fight really with the neoconservatives during the first Iraq War, something you know a little bit about, that first Gulf War and the way I treated it in my book. And if you go back and look at the documents and debates at the time, because it is recirculating right now, what is happening is there are accusations that if you are skeptical of Israel and the way it is conducting this war right now in Gaza, you are anti Semitic. And so they look for every opportunity to make that point.

Well, if you go back to the debate Pat Buchanan had…

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You are talking about the Gulf War in the 90s.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): The first one in the 90s.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): In the 90s. I want people to understand this is not after 9 11. This is pre 9 11.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): This is when the first Bush is president, the invasion of Kuwait, the threat to Kuwait, Maggie Bush, you know. You have got, you have got, you got, wobbly. That is it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Do not get wobbly, George. Do not get wobbly, George.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Right. It is not skull and bones and right, do not buy me a grove anymore. We got to do it. And Pat Buchanan says, why are we fighting this war for Israel. And, well, he is denounced and smeared in many respects for that, but that was a battle about that war, which in retrospect maybe Pat Buchanan was right about.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): What do you mean by that is so controversial. We are going to get, we may not get clicks, although I think we will, out of the first part of this. Chambers I think is brilliant people, but right now you are going to go viral. Why. What is the argument for why Pat Buchanan might have been correct to say, which everybody says, hey, the good war that we fought over the last four years is the Gulf War, because you were, you know, a little nation was invaded by a bigger nation. This is where America had to stand up. Also, it might have something to do with oil. But why was, because Buchanan really got the separation and kind of the beginning of this whole movement, this part of this movement, really started with that whole powerhouse debate they had done.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, you know, Steve, if you go back and look at the debates in Washington among, like, the major, like, intellectual players of that era, and I mean like Irving Kristol, not his son Bill, Irving Kristol, Jeane Kirkpatrick.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): I went to Georgetown after she started things. She was a hammer.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): And they are saying, why are we looking to start a new Cold War in the Middle East. And Pat Buchanan had a line.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And Irving Kristol was not just, he had been, I think, a Trotskyite. He was, and he was one of the guys leading the effort to anti communists to make sure he got the Jews out of Russia. I mean, this guy was a hammer. When these guys are actually backing up Pat Buchanan, these are not intellectual lightweights. These are about as heavy of public national security intellectuals as you can have.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, I will give you an example of this. Near the end of his life, when my wife Kathy, who got very close to Bill Buckley, as I did, we went to see him in his house in Stamford, 2008. Now we are going to turn the clock forward. And she said to him, well, Bill, is there any conservative writer now you really respect. He said Irving Kristol. It was the one. Not Bill Kristol, Irving Kristol.

Irving Kristol and Jeane Kirkpatrick, you go back and look at some of Pat Buchanan’s early books, including the one he wrote on how the Republicans could build a majority. He wrote that. Remember, he and Bill Rusher were writing this book. Now we are getting into the weeds. But I know that people are following this stuff.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): No, that is the way. Remember, young people are thirsting for this information because none of this stuff is taught. You are talking about some of them thirty years ago and it is never discussed.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Yeah, I know it is true because I see it when I go around and talk about this stuff. Well, you look at Pat Buchanan’s early writing and you will see one of those early books is dedicated to one of his mentors, Professor Irving Kristol. This idea that somehow that intellectual elite declared war on Pat Buchanan over that is untrue. They agreed with him.

Charles Krauthammer, remember him. I remember him saying the isolationist position is totally defensible and consistent on intellectual and ideological grounds. And so here is the line Pat had that really resonated with me later. He said, we already almost destroyed the empire over a strategically meaningless country, Vietnam. Why are we meddling in a strategically important one, the Middle East.

I will tell you another thing about this too. Fascinated me. I found it in the Buckley book. So after Buckley started National Review, 1955, it was not long before the Suez Canal crisis over oil. The end of the British Empire. End of the British Empire. Everybody favors the Brits, the French, and for once the Israelis.

National Review hated Israel early on. And your viewers and listeners should know this. I have got it in the book. National Review referred to Israel in 1956 as “the first modern racist nation.”

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And so was that Buckley’s Catholicism, traditional Catholicism, or what was that. What brought that to the forefront of National Review.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): The Catholicism was one aspect. Another came from a writer that people knew only as a pro McCarthy anti communist named Freda Utley. And she had covered the Middle East and she said to Buckley, I am going to write a piece that defends the group nobody else is looking at. There are these displaced Palestinians there and they have a case to make. And she wrote a book about it.

And there was one columnist in Washington, of all people, Mary McGrory, the liberal, picked up on it. Or it was Dorothy Thompson, that is who it was, another great liberal columnist, picked up on it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): That is this part of the Algonquin.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): And she said, Freda Utley is making a case here, no one paying attention to the Palestinians. So Buckley, she sends the story to Buckley and Buckley says, what do we do with it. And he says, I know what we will do. We will just invent a new column. We will call it The Open Question. And this is the first one we are going to run. And that is why Buckley was great. He could open. He could open up instead of this kind of, you know, who do we, whom do we denounce. Who do we exclude. Do you think, make the good argument and I will run it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Well, that changes over time. We will get to the part about, we have got to exclude some guys here. The Birchers and the Objectivists, the Objectivist, the bizarro Ayn Rand cult. The Birchers are dangerous because of conspiracy wing nuts.

But let us go back. Let us go back to when Buckley comes in on the wing of the stage. It is at the end of the Alger Hiss part but the beginning of the McCarthy. And, by the way, one of the most exciting parts of the book is Buckley’s transformation, personal transformation. Because unlike Bush, who are a Connecticut family who kind of went to Texas and pretend they are Texans, Buckley is actually a Texan. His family who kind of harbored oil guys down in Texas, then they moved to Connecticut, and he was raised in Connecticut.

But Buckley here, one of the transforming things is when he has to go into the Army, which he kind of tries to avoid for a long time, going World War II. He is anti World War II.

Yeah.

He is very anti World War II. He finally goes in, but in being an infantry officer, even though most of it is in training, it does transform him and be kind of more of a guy’s guy.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Guy’s guy. I would add a second thing to that too, which really made sense to me when I went to Buckley’s hometown, Sharon, Connecticut, which is what they call the Northwest Corner, Litchfield County, New York and western Massachusetts. So I tell people, when the Buckleys were declaring Roosevelt, war on the Roosevelts in the 1930s, they are declaring war on the guy they saw at the Rhinebeck Horse Show every supper. Like this is very much an inside world.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): This is the elites.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, but I mention that because when my wife and I went to Sharon, Connecticut, not where Buckley lived as an adult but where he grew up, and you can see the house there. That is where the Young Americans for Freedom first met. You can see the boulder with the statement on it and all this. And you walk to that town, you see right across from the Buckley house is the oldest church in town. And in Connecticut towns you really learn this. It is always a Congregational Church. Then next door is the Episcopal Church.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): High Church.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): High Church. Down the street the Methodists, a little lower church. You have to go practically into a back alley to find the Catholic Church. And that is where the Buckleys worshipped. The household servants got in the cars with them and they drove to church together. So who is worshipping at St. Bernard’s, the Catholic Church in Sharon, Connecticut. It is the working class. That is who Buckley saw. Buckley was an altar boy. He and his brothers were altar boys. His father was an altar boy in Duval County, Texas. The one, right. The county that won, I have no air quotes here, but won the Lyndon Johnson Senate campaign in 1948. Buckley’s grandfather was a sheriff in that county. So he comes out of that.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Make sure they count them right.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): The living, not the dead.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): They count it by the pound.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Okay, if you really want to understand America and the conservative movement, and particularly if you have a college student or a young person in their twenties that you think needs to get up to speed, this is the Christmas gift you want to get them. Buckley by Sam Tanenhaus. And by the way, if you ever get Whitaker Chambers for yourself, particularly if you are, especially if you are a Christian and you are saying, hey, in the world today, you know, that is so much like anti Christian philosophy out there, you think it is pressure, read the book of Whitaker Chambers. It is one of the most moving stories of, I guess, a convert that had lived Christianity against the pressures of the pressures of the world. This book is amazing, Buckley.

And I want to throw down a challenge. When Whitaker Chambers, the book Whitaker Chambers, came out in the ninety. Who was the biggest promoter of that book in media.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Don Imus, remember him.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Oh, he dominated. The nineties, he dominated, right.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST):
Yeah, the book was nominated for the National Book Award. And it came in a box, and Imus got it. And he started reading it, and he started talking about it. And I did not know this at first. I listened to the program, but I would hear it in the afternoon. I listened to him in the morning, but I also listened to the sports guys in the afternoon. I was writing at home. And somebody called me up, and I said, Don Imus is promoting your book. And then it became a thing. You may remember, it became a joke. Remember Charles McCord would do these things. I am going to kill myself if you do not stop talking about Imus and about Tanenhaus and Chambers. Imus called me up. His wife called me up. This is it. And asked how she could get a custom made Woodstock typewriter to give Don for Christmas. Because the typewriter was the…

STEVE BANNON (HOST): We are going to get to that. We are going to get to that story now. Hold on. Why is the typewriter a story. You talked about the farm. Tell me about the typewriter, Nixon, the farm, all of it.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, after… The pumpkin papers. After Chambers first testified…

STEVE BANNON (HOST): They say he is a liar. They say he is a liar. The apparatus came down. This is why, if you are a Christian, you have got to read this book. Everything that he feared, why he was kind of a schizophrenic, turned out to be true. They were out to get him. As soon as he said this thing publicly, the entire apparatus in the world crushed this guy, right.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): There were three accusations that the party would use to smear somebody. One is to say he is a homosexual, that is a term that was used back then. Two, that he is mentally unstable. And three, he is an alcoholic. They said this about Chambers.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Go back, I want to make sure people understand this. This is what the Russians would do to basically try to smear somebody, right.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): But they would do it through their agents. Their agents here. American agents.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): But one, you were gay, you were homosexual. Two, you were mentally unstable. And three, he is an alcoholic. And in Chambers’ case, they try to do all three.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Yeah, and they spread them around. And Chambers did happen to have history of homosexuality. The others were untrue. And so there is a really famous moment in the Hiss case. It is one that brings tears to the eyes of grown men, Steve. It is when they finally bring… Hiss is the only one of the accused who insists on answering Chambers. He says, no, these are… He sends a letter after Chambers has named him and seven or eight others. Hiss sends a note to the committee, the House committee, and he says, I demand equal time. I want to come before the committee and repudiate these lies that have been told about me. So they say, well, come on in, Mr. Hiss. So he does.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And what was his thinking. Understanding he actually was a spy. He felt, I am Alger Hiss. I can go in front of and dominate where these guys are the worst witnesses in the world. Bentley and Chambers. I am Alger Hiss. This is, I can command any stage I am on. I will command the stage and show that, show that, show that he is just jealous, he is mentally unstable, or he drinks too much, or you know, he is not a credible witness.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): And the other thing he has got going for him, Steve, is that the HUAC congressmen are really held in low repute. It is the committee nobody wants to be on. They are the red baiters. They have done the Hollywood Ten, right.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Yeah, Ronald Reagan. This is Ronald Reagan’s rise to power. The whole movie The Way We Were is about this film, about this moment. Because they think anybody that comes forward… You had, what, Adolphe Menjou. You had people in Hollywood come forward. But even the people that came forward and named names were smeared by the mainstream media as being a rat. You were an informer. So this is the whole thing about being an informer. Even if you were accurate about these people being communist, it was the whole stench of being an informer.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): There were two blacklists, and we only hear about one of them. We hear about the blacklist of the accused communists. We do not hear about the blacklist of the witnesses who never got work again because they came out and testified. Ayn Rand actually came out of that policy. So we can get to that later, because she was, as you know, she was.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): I cannot believe you take these views on everything. This is how politics has changed so much in the country. You are a secular Jewish liberal from the New York Times. Yet you are saying things that a couple of years ago the progressive left loved to say were lies. You are just lying about I. F. Stone. Still, remember, Alger Hiss is still a fight. It is still an intellectual fight. How did you get through your life by coming out and writing about this and actually telling the truth of the story.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): You know, one of my guys…

STEVE BANNON (HOST): This is how much culture and politics have changed in this nation.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Well, they have changed. And they were starting to then. I mean, one thing that worked to my advantage was I started writing about Chambers in the early nineties after the Soviet Union collapsed. Remember, there was that period when people were rethinking a lot of this. And heroes were people like Solzhenitsyn.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And they opened up the KGB files. They opened up the archives.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): And we opened up our archives. Yes, yes. So he has got the real story of what went on. You can get the real story. And there was enough respect in that era for that kind of…

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Solzhenitsyn thought we were… He got over here. He thought we were a mess. He thought we were too weak. He got over here and said, this is not going to save the West, where America has declined to. He is the first one that really, like an Old Testament prophet, told us about the weakness of the West.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): He made the same argument that Buckley and Chambers and those early, and Buchanan later, and those early great anti communists made. The country is weak. It has no moral spirit. It has fiber. We are puteating our own identity. I mean, all this stuff. Solzhenitsyn said that at Harvard, you know. At commencement. At commencement. At commencement. I mean, it is unthinkable today.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Then he went to Vermont, and he said, this place is a disaster.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Yeah, yeah, that is right. He went up to Vermont. Remember, David Remnick went and interviewed him. David Remnick is a guy who gets a lot of this stuff. And we have some very interesting… Lenin’s Tomb is… It was fantastic, and I cannot do it here, but I will show you the note Remnick sent me about this book in Chambers. He sent me a note not long ago. He said basically like, this is the history nobody is told. That needs to be told. And will be there forever. He says, forget everything else. Forget what the critics say, all this.

But there is another guy who is really important to me. A guy not well, but I have written about him, and I have met him a few times. Robert Caro.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Oh, wow. The series on Lyndon Johnson. And The Power Broker.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): And The Power Broker. When… Great.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You want to learn about New York City. When Greg and Carter… Robert Moses hired me. Vanity Fair. This is a Robert Caro type.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): I am pleased to say that more than one reviewer has said that, and what I am really proud of. No, because so detailed about every aspect of it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): That is what, folks, it is a thousand pages. So you are going to get your money’s worth. But it is a page turner. Because you are learning about American history as you go. It is the story of America as told through the actions, the human agency of one person.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): That is what I learned from Bob Caro. You know, his books are called, as you know, The Years of Lyndon Johnson. So what I think of the books I write as being these two big ones.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): But you do not go to the public library. He is one of those guys at the New York Public Library that has the cubicle. There are like ten guys. They duke it out. You know what I am talking about.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): He does not do that anymore. I lived across the street from the New York Public Library for years. I loved it. That is how I did some of Chambers.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): We lived in Tesla’s, right next to Tesla’s lab on Tesla Way.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): Oh, really.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): The Engineers Club has been turned into a set of co ops. Because those are the guys that could not get into the Harvard, Yale, the University Club because they had not gone to Ivy League schools. But Westinghouse, Carnegie, so they start the Engineers Club. Tesla was part of that. And that is right across from the New York Public Library, which is magnificent. You just go over there and get lost in reading all day. And they were one of the groups in the basement that have ten writers they allow to be in residence to kind of get a little cubicle and work in there.

SAM TANENHAUS (GUEST): I never got that. I never applied for it. I probably would not have gotten it. But when I was working on Whitaker Chambers, you know, that was a long time ago in my thirties. I would go to the New York Public Library. And I would see other giants there. You would see Norman Mailer sitting at a table just reading a book. You could not believe what you would see back then. And those were the days, you know, they dig the stuff out of the archive. They send a tube. They bring up the book. That is where I first read Bill Buckley’s magnificent essay on Whitaker Chambers was in the New York Public Library. Nothing was digitized. It was in Esquire Magazine.

And I will tell you something. You are asking me, why do I do this stuff. I grew up in a household that did not think a lot of Bill Buckley. And then a couple of things turned me around on him. And one was when I was working on Chambers. I went to the New York Public Library and I read an essay in Esquire Magazine. It was actually the first piece Bill Buckley published there, though I did not learn that until much later, called The End of Whitaker Chambers. It was a memoir about him, interspersed with letters. And I realized, this guy is like an exquisite writer. Why did nobody tell me this. And you sort of get mad in retrospect. There is nobody in front of a classroom who was going to say, by the way, you might want to look at Bill Buckley’s memoir Cruising Speed to see what great journalism is like. Nobody says this. You have to find it yourself.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): But he… We are going to take a short break here. We are going to have to extend this a couple hours. So what we are going to do is have you back. This is our weekend show. We are going to have you back. We will figure it out. Because Buckley, that is why he wrote God and Man at Yale. Because he saw even then the professors, how they were trying to twist things, which was a traditional… You know, I have given this book as a gift to some of the most senior people in this administration who went to Yale, to say how shocking it is, because right now, they are taking the names off buildings and transgenderism is so big and they are doing pronouns. I go, guys, back in the old days, and I am talking the 1950s, 1940s, 1950s, it was a different place. It is amazing.

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Joe Allen Warns the AI Executive Order Hands Power to the Tech Oligarchs

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 19:19

The fight over the AI EO and the AI moratorium have become the central battlefield in American politics, and Joe Allen explains why the tech oligarchs are desperate to force national control before states can defend their citizens.

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JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know Natalie, it is a strange world, and my job is to highlight the strangeness. I think I am fit for that. You know, we have talked on the WarRoom for four and a half years about the religion of technology, the way in which everything from artificial intelligence to the… that soon the highest power on earth will be a machine. Now, we have shown the audience, the Warren Posse is well familiar with all of the cast of characters who have pushed these ideas, and this is just the latest expression of it.

You have Jensen Huang, head of Nvidia, all over the White House trying to push his agenda, talking about how ninety percent of the world’s knowledge will be generated by AI in the next two or three years. Whether or not one believes that or not, and I certainly do not believe that to be true, it shows you that the fundamental impulse that these guys are running on. The impulse is for replacement. We talk about the great replacement of immigrants taking low level jobs. This is the greater replacement in which, if their vision comes true, AI replaces first coders, then white collar jobs, and then eventually all blue collar jobs. Total replacement, leaving us all on the dole.

Robot Natalie interviewing the robot vice president of Taiwan, and I do not think that is any kind of replacement we want. And I thought it was very important to, you know, Joe Rogan in a recent interview. He said things like this before. He kind of represents, I think, the stoner tech bro wing of the technological spectrum. And he is talking about AI generating Jesus or Jesus returning as AI. It is certainly not new to him. It is an idea that, in fact, goes back well over one hundred years in its seed form, but it is coming to expression.

The population is being conditioned to see artificial intelligence, yes as a tool that you are supposed to use, but of course that uses you. But ultimately there is a progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher, the highest authority on what is real. AI as a companion, your most trusted companion, to whom you can tell all secrets. AI as a creature that is like a living being, perhaps conscious. And then AI as a God. This is not something that I simply made up. I am only observing what is happening and trying to communicate this to the posse and anyone else who is willing to hear it out, because if your country has been taken over by any religious system, you are going to want to know that this is the case.

If it were Muslims, it would be very important for the future of the United States. If it were communists, it would be very important for the future of the United States. Even if you do not believe what they believe, if they are in power, then that belief system will trickle down through the laws, through the companies, and even through the military of that nation. These people believe, by and large, that there is no God, but that they can build one.

NATALIE WINTERS (HOST): And Joe, I guess I am just curious. I mean, I think the WarRoom has always been ahead of the curve, mainly because of the work that you have done, that this is what the thing itself is. This is where they have always been progressing. But, you know, why have they tried to mask these real intentions so much. And why now does it seem like there is this massive media push where it is a little more transparent what is going on?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know Natalie, I do not think they really masked it so much. It was just that no one really took it. Until ChatGPT was released, artificial intelligence was basically a dream. And it still is a dream in its biggest, in the most ambitious forms. But until ChatGPT was released and until students began using it to write papers, until people began to turn to it for companionship and for vital information, medical, psychological and otherwise, nobody really took seriously the idea that you would have a nonhuman mind that would be of any use or would be impressive in any way.

And now we see eight hundred million weekly users at ChatGPT, some portion of the three point five billion users at Meta, six hundred thousand users on X, however many of them use Grok, on and on. And you see the real consequences of this. And I think that the real importance of understanding the belief system behind the companies, behind the executives who run the companies, is as they push for AI amnesty, as they push for a moratorium on state level laws. That is to benefit not the people in those populations, but the idea of a moratorium itself is to keep states from impeding the national AI agenda, which, by and large, is a vehicle for people like Jensen Huang, people like Mark Andreessen, people like Sam Altman, people like Elon Musk, all of whom believe that to some degree or another, the highest power on earth will be a machine. The highest power will be an AI.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know, last night we found out that the moratorium language, the AI amnesty language, is most likely not going to appear in the NDAA. That is solely due to the WarRoom Posse and all their counterparts who put is that if California passes a law that makes AI woke, then America will fall behind the world because China will produce, I presume, non woke AIs under CCP rules, and the entire AI industry will crumble because you are not able to get an answer out of it that is against the lib dictates on race and gender and sexuality.

I do not buy that for a second. For one thing, all of these AI models, for the most part, including Grok, are what is colloquially called woke. So I do not really see how much impact that is even going to have. The other argument is that if the United States has a patchwork of state laws, AI companies are not going to be able to train and release their products in step with other countries, even though we have led the way on this entirely and they are still trailing behind. And so for the sake of the American economy, which is pegged on all this speculation on AI, even for the sake of national security, we need to have a federal framework that preempts all state laws.

Okay, then you are going to have to present a detailed and coherent federal framework, whether it be standards or legislation or any form of regulation, so that we know that all of the damages, all of the things that we have seen from children who have basically melted their brains with AI, and some of them who have taken their own lives at the urging of AI, as we see first coding jobs and then white collar jobs disappear. And as we contemplate what the people who are pushing for all of this are talking about, which is the rise of artificial general intelligence, a sort of human level intelligence that will lead eventually into superintelligence, a kind of godlike intelligence that will erase all economic value of every human being on Earth. Humans will have nothing to do but sit on a roller coaster ride called the singularity and observe as the machines do all the meaningful work.

That is the position of the people who are being defended by David Sacks, by Sri Ram Krishnan, the people who are being defended by the Leading the Future PAC, which is at around 100 million to support pro AI candidates, founded by Marc Andreessen, founded by Greg Brockman of OpenAI, Joe Lonsdale of Palantir. The entire argument rests on the notion that America must stay first in AI. America must be the leader. Well, we are the leader. And these companies have run roughshod over the American psyche. They are poised to run roughshod over the American economy. And they are driven by a quasi religious or overtly religious belief that a machine will soon be the highest authority on what is real, the highest power, also known as the machine will be a god.

So if they are going to defend transhuman or post human ideas as the golden age for America, they should be a lot more explicit about it. They should openly say we are defending Elon Musk, who says that superintelligence or some form of AI will do all of the decision making in the future. We are going to defend Sam Altman, who says very much the same and even includes a biometric identity protocol, WorldCoin, so that human beings can be identified as human on the internet. We are going to defend Mark Zuckerberg, whose company openly stated that its AI companions could seduce children as young as eight years old. We are going to defend them against the American people, rather than defend the American people against these people who are deploying predatory technologies, because that is the golden age we envision.

That is what I call on David Sacks to openly articulate and defend. If you are going to push a new American golden age, you are going to have to be honest about what it means.

Now let us imagine that David Sacks does not believe that superintelligence is going to arrive. Let us imagine that David Sacks does not believe that all jobs are going to be replaced. Well, all of the companies that he is defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that or very similar things to that. So that means that he believes that all of these companies are pushing a bunk product. If that is the case, then he needs to own up to the fact that America’s golden age is pegged to a lie, a very lucrative and powerful lie, but a lie nonetheless.

And until we have some kind of federal framework, a detailed federal framework that openly puts American people’s interest above the companies who are pushing this, then you have to let states determine their own futures. You have to let states put up shields to defend the children of their states, to defend the adults of their states, to defend the rights of the citizens in those states, whether it is from surveillance or replacement or psychological manipulation or worse.

And so if Trump, if President Trump signs this executive order, he will incur the outrage of everyone who believed in him to defend legacy Americans against not only immigrants, but the tech companies who are probably a greater threat to their jobs and to their rights. President Trump, I believe, wants to defend Americans, but he is being cajoled and pushed into a situation in which I think the argument is that if America does not go forward with this AI revolution at the behest of the tech oligarchs, then America will fall to China.

I do not think that he is being led into this with, let us say, integrity and good intentions. It would seem to me that the dreams of a techno future have taken precedence over the American people, certainly over the will of the American people. If you look at the Pew polls, 50 percent of Americans believe that AI is eroding social norms, eroding social connections, and eroding creativity. If you look at the Edelman Trust Barometer, a full 50 percent of Americans say they would like to just simply reject AI outright.

And if you look at the recent poll conducted by the Institute for Family Studies in partnership with YouGov, they found that only 18 percent of Americans want an AI moratorium, meaning the vast majority of Americans, Republicans, Democrats, and all of us strange ones in between, do not want an AI moratorium. We want our states, our local governments, to have the right to say no or have the right to at least limit what we say yes to.

I believe that President Trump wants to serve the American people. I hope that he has the wisdom not to sign an executive order that goes completely against the will of his constituency. And he will stand up and do the duty of a leader, which is to protect the people from predatory power, not protect predatory power from the will of the people.

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Episode 4970: A Conversation With Sam Tanenhaus And The Book Buckley: The Life and the Revolution That Changed America Pt. 2

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 16:01

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Episode 4969: Slight Victory In Tennessee; Mosque Numbers Increase In The US To Thousands

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 16:00

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Sharia Courts in Texas: Peter McIlvenna Warns Women Have “No Choice” Under Parallel Islamic Legal System

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 08:27

The Sharia expansion Texas crisis is worse than officials admit, and Peter McIlvenna says women trapped inside these courts are the first to pay the price.

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STEVE BANNON (HOST): Peter McIlvenna joins us now. Peter, wrote a piece the other day. You came and spent just a couple of days in Texas and you were shocked. And you have been one of the best, now that Niger is in the government, Raheem is over here covering more American news. I think you are probably, you and Tommy Robinson are the two best about showing what is going on and really the collapse of our mother country, Great Britain, and it is shocking and it gets worse every day and it is accelerating at an accelerating rate. You came here for just a couple of days in Texas and you told me, he said, hey look, you guys got to understand, you are heading down the same path and maybe heading down the same path more rapidly than you guys were at the beginning. Walk us through that in this piece you wrote the other day.

PETER MCILVENNA (GUEST): Well, yeah, Raheem has done great job. He has left Londonistan. I am still here. And this was showing some of the courts that are operating, some of the Sharia courts that are operating in the US, to give you an example. And in the UK, we have got 85 Sharia courts. They have been operating since 1982. There was a government report back, I think, 2018. And it said that these bodies operate as a parallel legal system and they subject tens of thousands of British women to medieval rules. That was the understanding of the British government in 2018.

So over in the US in Texas, I looked at three different Sharia courts that are operating. The Islamic Tribunal of Dallas, which is up there northeast Dallas, up near Piano, where the huge epic city development is being pushed forward. And it is, it now, I think it started 2014 as a voluntary mediation service. And these all start as voluntary. But Steve, it is not voluntary for the women. The women have no choice. And in the UK, some of the courts, 90 percent of the cases are by women who are desperate and want to help in their marriages and are trapped. And all they need is the man to say, I divorce you three times, according to Islamic law. And she is divorced. She is thrown out. And she is nothing because the man takes all. He is the winner.

So you have got the Islamic Tribunal of Dallas that is now having 300 cases a year. Starting 2014, that is ramped up. And I looked at some of the other ones. One of the big ones in the US is the North American Islamic Trust. And back in 2003, I think it was in a Senate hearing, and it talked about them then having title to 3000 to 325 US mosques. Now, at the time, that was 11 percent. At the time, there were about 1300 mosques, so 10 percent. You now have 2700 mosques, according to 2020 figures. That is well above 3000 now. So who knows how many mosques the North American Islamic Trust now operates. It could be far more. At that time, it was 27 percent. It could, if it is the same amount, then they rule. They run 650 mosques in the US.

And again, there are Sharia courts attached to a number of those mosques. And this is about divorces. This is about estate issues. Local issues. And again, these are run by all male, as you can imagine, four men. A lot of these are trained in the Middle East. So they come over, they then run these courts, and subjugate, subject these women to medieval rules.

And I was, when I look back at the state of Texas, I kind of thought as a foreigner, you know, Texas has always been a red state. And then you look. It was only basically, you only had three Republican governors, I think, since the founding of Texas state up until George W. Bush. And then you have had 30 years from George W. Bush, Rick Perry and Greg Abbott. This ramping up of mosques, this ramping up of Sharia courts, this ramping up of halal food in Dallas running, in Houston running at 23 percent a year. The biggest growth in halal food in America in Houston. This has happened under Republican governors.

Now, it is not my place to criticize. I will let the WarRoom Posse have their say on that. But there is a concern that this is happening under the noses and at least Greg Abbott has woken up to this.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Peter McIlvenna, I have been told forever in London and in Texas that the Sharia courts have no standing, no bearing. They cannot do anything. What do you mean they are telling women what to do and they are making these courts? They tell us over and over again, not the Muslims. They say, no, Sharia law works. I am talking about American officials who sit there constantly and say, you are wrong. You are an alarmist. In England, you are an alarmist. They have no standing, no jurisdiction. What say you, sir?

PETER MCILVENNA (GUEST): Well, I have made this point regularly, Steve. They are simply there to look after the children. Now, in the US. In the UK, it was the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal Act. Say that quickly. And that was passed in 1982, I believe. And then, since then, we have allowed Muslim courts, of which there are 85. In America it is slightly different. My understanding is that you have got the Federal Arbitration Act of 1924 or 1925. And that allows Christian, Jewish, and Muslim courts.

Now, I would argue, why do you need religious courts in a country? Because then you have got competing different laws. That is where the opening happened to allow this. So for 100 years, this has been happening. But you have not had mass immigration. You have not had Muslim entities. Now you do. Now you have this huge growth. And therefore this. Therefore, they do seem to be legally binding.

No, it says they are only legally binding if it does not conflict with federal or state laws. But you tell me, which court or police officer is going to go into an Islamic area and demand access to those rulings and then begin to enforce or unenforce them? That does not happen.

Of course these courts, it is wonderful because it is not in English. There are no records kept. There is no transparency. So the government is not allowed a look in. If it was allowed a look in, it would realize that these are absolutely unfair to how women are treated, especially in divorce cases and custody cases, in financial cases, in business transactions. This is unfair and does conflict with US law. But you will need a very brave individual in law enforcement or courts who is going to enforce the rule of law.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): We are going to have to do that in Texas. One of the reasons I meet with Glenn and the team this afternoon is that you are going to have to. You have designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as terrorist outfits. Now you have got to get down to it. You have got to dig them out of here, starting with these Sharia courts. And I am telling you, what is happening in Texas is very scary.

We are going to have a bunch of big announcements about all this in the days and weeks ahead before Christmas, about January and 26, what we are going to do to start off with a bang.

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MSM Trying to Bury Trump, MAGA Responds with Action, Action, Action.

Wed, 12/03/2025 - 08:06

The media is pushing a scripted blue wave to demoralize the base, but MAGA voters just proved that engagement beats their narrative every time.

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STEVE BANNON (HOST): It’s Wednesday, 3 December, Year of Our Lord 2025. We’re packed today of things to go through. You saw, and we’ve got David Zier, Poso, an entire team at the Pentagon right now. They’re in a briefing, a behind closed door briefing, and they’re going to be out, I think, momentarily at the bottom of the hour for us to get both David Zere and Posobiec, a lot going on the national security front.

I want to go back. You saw, okay, why do we play things that upset you early in the morning before you’ve, you know, maybe some of you, particularly on the West Coast, have not gotten to your Warpath coffee? We do it to make sure that you understand how the narrative is being set by the opposition, by the enemy of MAGA, the enemy of President Trump.

You saw CNN. You see the joy? I mean, you see the exuberance. They’re talking about a blue wave and they’re sitting there spiking the football.

Look, the takeaway from yesterday is when MAGA engages, because this thing was a dead heat. In fact, we were down on the early vote. When MAGA engages over those four or five days that people worked and the communications got out there and clear communication lines, and then the candidate, who I agree with CNN was a terrific candidate, a combat veteran, kind of from central casting, when all of that got out, you had a massive blowout.

As Michael Patrick Leahy told us, if you represent on game day, you’re going to have a blowout. And Leahy told me beforehand, hey, I think we win this thing by nine or ten points if people turn up, and people turned up.

Don’t look at the 13 point swing. That’s not particularly relevant. What’s relevant in this race and the most important thing overall is people’s engagement in the process.

When people finally got engaged in this process over the long Thanksgiving weekend, and then on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, they get out the vote, the focus in very cold, bitter weather. There were blowout numbers, which the Democrats were not expecting, on election day, on game day. This is what we’re going to have to depend upon in the midterm elections.

This is all about getting out low information, low propensity voters who oftentimes have, if Trump’s not on the ballot, if Trump’s not there, we’re just not interested. We’re going to have to engage those people every day.

Now the other part of this on the cold open was the ADP payroll number, particularly for small business. Once again, I think CNBC is just making it up. There is no evidence that anybody’s put forward, and I mean hard evidence, that the tariffs are having anything to do with this. Maybe softening and slight softening in small business.

What I think it reinforces is the interest rate situation, and this is why President Trump’s pick for the Federal Reserve, and if Powell’s going to give up his seat as governor, which we’ll get to later in the week, the complexity of this.

Right now, I think this is about interest rates and about the way the Fed miscalculates interest rates, and Powell refuses to respond. Now, there’s supposed to be another cut in December, but knowing Powell and particularly knowing how vindictive he is against the president and MAGA and the Trump administration, I’m sure he’s not going to give any guidance to additional cuts coming in 26.

So what does this all mean? Tariffs, which is the point, the tariffs are a forcing function. When those kick in, and they will kick in sometime at 26, you’ll start to get massive GDP growth, massive GDP per capita growth, jobs, wages, whatever. And I’ve said, hey, you may have a gap there before it totally kicks in. I think you may be seeing that gap, at least a little bit of it, on this ADP number.

You saw the way, the reason we wanted to play the Harry Anton thing in its entirety, intercut with what the Democratic candidate was saying last night, is the exuberance. The mainstream media is going to try to bury President Trump. They’ve tried this from the very beginning when he came down the escalator.

You guys know it. You’ve been ringside. You have been the force that put him on your shoulders when the establishment basically stole, and the globalists stole, and the deep state stole the 2020 election for the greatest comeback in history.

And this is why I think it’s incumbent upon now action, action, action. You’re having essentially a fistfight between Elise Stefanik and Johnson right now on the NDAA, on certain elements of it tied to intelligence and tied to Arctic Frost and tied to everything that the deep state has tried to do to Trump to tear him apart, that Jamie Raskin has been able to block some things and put some other things in there, and she says it’s not acceptable, and she’s gone public with it.

If now we ever had a clarion call for more direct action, direct action, action, action, it has to be now.

And I realize President Trump now has the thing that blocking immigration and, you know, cutting off all the illegal immigrants from tax benefits, which, hey, I think most people figured we did that day one, but hey, if we didn’t, that’s fine, let’s do it today.

But as importantly, you know, Boasberg, the judge, I think, is refusing to come over at an invitation to testify, and I believe it’s even behind closed door to the House. It’s time now to impeach him, to go after him with more indictments right now against the deep state.

And this is why we will have, you know, Poso and Zere from the Pentagon. God bless the fact that, you know, you’re in Moscow, you’re here, you’re there, you’re all these places. BB’s coming to Mar a Lago. That’s all fine. But the priority has to be here.

And even there, even in these situations, it’s how it relates back directly. And the taxpayer and the citizen understands we’re in Moscow to try to end this war because this directly affects you. We don’t have to shovel any more money in there.

Or we’re in Venezuela because we’re tired of the drugs coming up and also that they were in back of one of the big parts in back of the invasion of the country. Or in Israel, we’re finally shutting this thing down and it’s become a secondary thought, as it should be. It’s a side show to a side show.

You’ve got to get back to the main event. And the main event is here. And we got our work cut out for us. But he’s here, Harry Enton, the blue wave is building. Look at that. Look how jacked up they are.

And that is on the 3rd of December of 2025. As they get any analytics at all that support their theory, you’re going to have your nose rubbed in it every day. And they’re going to try to build a psychological way by convincing the American people, and particularly in convincing MAGA, it’s too late.

This is what they tried to do in Tennessee. And you represented, and I mean overrepresented on game day, to lead to a blowout number, a nine point win. Don’t forget that, a nine point win. They were hoping for something like two or three.

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Texas DEI Program Shutdown: Brian Harrison Says Grassroots Forced the Biggest Anti-DEI Victory in State History

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 20:09

The Texas DEI Program Shutdown marks a major turning point, and Brian Harrison told WarRoom the only reason it happened is because grassroots conservatives forced the establishment to fold.

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STEVE BANNON (HOST): I want to turn to Texas though. Brian Harrison. Brian, after all the hard work of the grassroots and folks like yourselves down there, we are starting to see some wins. We had a big win today. What do you have for us?

BRIAN HARRISON (GUEST): This is a huge win and one of just a long string of huge conservative, massive conservative victories. The grassroots patriots, very much including the posse, have forced a change. So I have got some breaking news down here.

Steve, I do not know how many times I have been on your show this year talking about how Texas, despite the fact that we have this reputation for being a bold conservative Republican MAGA state, our government is actually very blue even though the Texas voters are very red. Well, the Texas government has been one of, if not the biggest funders, as crazy as this sounds, of DEI, perhaps in all of the country.

And in fact, just one program, the biggest DEI program in Texas, is called our HUBS program, Historically Underutilized Businesses. And what it is is the comptroller of the state of Texas has been requiring every single state agency, when they issue any kind of contract, to use minimum DEI criteria. Here, and I will give you just a couple examples. For every construction contract in Texas, a minimum of 21 percent had to be awarded on the basis of race or gender. For any special trade construction contracts, 30.

Well guys, I think we put the fear of God into the comptroller, into the governor in Texas. And as of today, that program has effectively been ended. So I have got some very good historic news. The biggest DEI program in the state of Texas. The posse, hardworking patriotic Texans and Americans all across the country, forced a massive defeat against the liberal establishment Austin Uni Party.

And now let me make no mistake about this. There is zero chance this would ever have happened through the normal legislative process. Every bill I filed to end these DEI programs in Texas died a unceremonial death, were not even allowed to be debated. But just by going on social media, going on War Room, going on media, and going straight to the people over the heads of the Texas establishment, we delivered the single biggest defeat against DEI, the biggest victory for people against discriminatory DEI in Texas history.

And just to make it clear, at risk of putting too fine a point on it, guys, our social media, I call them the LibertyBots, the people that follow me on X, guys, we have done more for conservatism just in the past few months than the governor, lieutenant governor, entire Texas House, entire Texas Senate combined. Just in the last few months we forced out the leftist president of Texas A&M who was pushing DEI and transgender indoctrination. We forced the Texas DMV to stop issuing vehicle registrations to illegal aliens. I announced that on your shows too, Steve. And then here today, we have killed the single biggest DEI program in the Texas government.

And I just want to come on and say thank you to everybody who had a hand in that.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): But Brian, here is the question. Why is it that the voters do not want this and they are adamant about it? Guys like you have been fighting. But the political class in Texas that is voted into office and empowered by these same voters, what is the logic? Why do they make it so difficult? Why are they adamant about not ending all these programs unless absolutely humiliated, embarrassed, forced to? A forcing function, something like this. What is the mentality that makes them just sit there and say we do not care what our voters want, sir?

BRIAN HARRISON (GUEST): Yeah, no, absolutely. I say this all the time. Transparency is like kryptonite in the liberal Austin swamp. And I will say this too. I would actually think, Steve, it is like the biggest form of voter fraud.

Okay, voters gave Republicans the governor’s mansion, lieutenant governor’s office, massive majorities in the Texas House, the Texas Senate. Republicans have every single statewide office in the state of Texas. But you know what happens? These so called Republicans, many of them are actually Democrats. They just know they cannot get elected if they were honest.

They campaign for office saying, vote for me, I will stand up to those radical Democrats who are going to indoctrinate the next generations. Vote for me, I will fight the radical leftists who are going to bankrupt the future of our state and our country. But the second they get elected and they go under that corrupt pink dome down in Austin, they vote to put those very Democrats in power. And they collude with them to pass a Marxist, leftist, progressive agenda, and they do it all under the guise, the sham, pride of secrecy.

And that is why even though it is the most hated Twitter feed in the state of Texas, it has now become the most powerful Twitter feed, for those of you who follow me on X, because we are delivering more and doing more for the voters of Texas than the entire Austin establishment combined.

And make no mistake about this. Every single one of these conservative victories only happened because they were shamed and forced at the point of public humiliation into doing the right thing. It should not be this hard. You know, when I called for the president of Texas A and M to be fired, this former Barack Obama official who was this leftist DEI indoctrinator, not one other Republican in the Texas government joined me in that fight. But going on War Room, the posse, patriots across the state and the country, we delivered.

And it should not be this hard. But you know what? If this is what it takes to preserve Texas and therefore preserve America and therefore the world. Because as you know, Steve, we are in a fight for nothing less than the future of Western civilization. Texas is on a front line. We are a battleground state. We are the line in the sand for the future of liberty.

It should not be this hard. I should not have to work with you and the Posse and pressure and shame the elected Republican establishment in Texas into doing the right thing for voters and the future. But you know what, Steve? If that is what it takes, if it is that amount of work and that amount of effort, if we can do our part to preserve the blessings of liberty and freedom and prosperity for my kids, your kids, grandkids, and the next generation of Texans and Americans, you know what, Steve? It should not be this hard, but it is. But you know what? It is worth it and we are making a difference.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You know, talk about making a difference. We just had a report from the Heritage Action guys, and of course I had Turning Point on this morning about a rally. This is all about Indiana, about the 9 to 0 versus the House just voted it out at the first reading, and it is going to have to go through a couple more, but they said today they had seven hours of Democratic activists, people around the nation coming in, and they all referred back to Texas.

Texas was the railhead, and I remember having the meeting with you and Glenn Story down there. It seems like decades ago, but it was really back, I guess, in July, when you helped lead us and forced the hand on Abbott to come back.

Has anybody, they keep using Texas as an example. Has anybody been penalized at all, held accountable for the Democrats leaving and going to Illinois? Remember all the threats that were there, and the way you stop this is to hold people accountable. Make sure that, has a parking spot been taken? Has any seniority been taken? Has anybody’s office been moved? Please tell me something happened about that fiasco with the Democrats.

BRIAN HARRISON (GUEST): It is funny you say that. I just pulled out my phone here because I just tweeted out this morning. I did the math, Steve. It has been 121 days since the radical Marxist leftists abandoned their post and broke quorum to stop our redistricting efforts.

And here are the statistics. Because remember the governor said, if any Democrat does not show up at 3 o clock on Monday, their seats are going to be, our rhino speaker signed arrest warrants. I guess they were ceremonial arrest warrants.

Here are the statistics. In 121 days since they broke quorum, the number of seats vacated: zero. The number of arrests: zero. The number of chairmanships, yes Democrats chair committees in the Texas House, and vice chairmanships. The number taken away: zero. The number of fines, one dollar of fines they will have to pay: zero. The number of them that have had their seniority stripped: zero. The committees they have been removed from: zero. Their offices defunded: zero. And you ask the big one, Steve, if we wanted to be serious and take away their parking spots: nope. They have all got their parking spots.

But do not worry, the Republican House caucus did meet and they did vote to not punish the Democrats. So zero consequences for the Democrats who broke quorum. And as of this morning, if my math is right, that was 121 days ago.

Let me tell you, Steve, we can joke about this, but it is actually not a laughing matter. I know you know that. I am sick and tired of Democrats and leftists and Marxists and progressives fighting harder for the future of our state and nation than so called Republicans. And that is embarrassing as hell. Nowhere is that more true than in the great state of Texas.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): This is why it is so important. You are right. It is funny when you go through there how shocking it is. But we need to revisit that. And here is the reason. You have had California break their constitution. You have the folks up in Illinois now at 173. I think they are going to take a couple of my beloved Commonwealth of Virginia, which is 6 to 5 because it is kind of evenly split between Democrats or Republicans. They are going to put forward an amendment, legislation, or referendum in April to go 10 to 1.

The Democrats are on fire and playing smash mouth. And we are up in Indiana fighting. We have got Turning Point, we have got Heritage Action, we have got all the tribes that come together. It is a throwdown. And you have got these Democrats, and the Democrats understand how to use something like Indiana as an example. And I go back to Texas, which they turned into a fiasco. We have let them off the hook. There is no penalty for these guys playing smash mouth. And it has to be. We have got to do that. And we have got to turn to Texas and use that as an example, sir.

BRIAN HARRISON (GUEST): Well, and you always talk about this. Stephen, you are exactly right. Like I said, why are the Democrats always the party fighting as hard as possible for the future? Why are not the Republicans fighting that hard?

And you talk about having a maximalist strategy. How many times, Steve, was I on with you here on WarRoom during the Democrat quorum break talking about what we call the Harrison Proposal? Play hardball. Every week the Democrats walk out, that is one more seat.

My question is, why the hell did we not pass a map that gave Texas five more seats? Because California, probably unconstitutionally by the way, is about to go and erase the gains from Texas. And the left is going to fight the Texas redistricting with every bit as much fervor whether we added five seats or six seats or seven seats or eight seats. So why did we only go for five?

The author of the bill said we could have done more than five. We should have done more than five. And by the way, we do not know if they are going to count because we have got these judicial activist judges down here, this three judge federal panel that slapped our maps down. So we do not even know how that is going to play out.

And as best I can tell, there is no contingency from the governor or the leadership of the Texas House or the Texas Senate to bring us back to draw another map in the event that our maps do not survive judicial scrutiny. As far as I am concerned, we should be working on another map right now that adds five, six, seven, eight, nine seats.

We need to be fighting as hard for the future as the Democrats. And we should have passed a map that had more than five seats. As you know, as razor thin as these margins are, the redistricting battle here in the state of Texas may well be the definitive variable in whether the United States Congress stays in Republican hands.

It is not the Republican Party and it is past time for that to change. And I want Texas actually to be leading the fight against that.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Brian, where do people go to get all your information, sir?

BRIAN HARRISON (GUEST): The most hated, but as it turns out, I guess the most powerful Twitter feed in the state of Texas. At Brian E Harrison. At Brian E Harrison on X. Do your civic duty today. Piss off a RINO, go follow me on X.

At Brian E Harrison. And Steve, I would be remiss if I did not end here by just saying it one more time. Thank you to the posse. If you posted on social media, if you followed me, if you called the governor, lieutenant governor, the speaker. If you sent an email, if you posted on social media to stop DEI, to fire the Texas A and M president, for the DMV to stop giving vehicle registrations to illegal. These victories, big victories, would never have happened without you. So thank you from the bottom of my heart and on behalf of 30 million Texans to everybody who participated in delivering these big wins.

Thank you very much. Force multiply.

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Ukraine Collapse Reality Check: Putin Warns Europe of “Swift Defeat”

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 19:57

The Ukraine Collapse Reality Check begins with Steve Bannon reading Putin’s warning to Europe, and Tej Gill laying out why the war has turned into a losing meat grinder the media refuses to show.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 2, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST): So, Tej Gill, I just want to read a couple of quotes here. I just gave you this specific, and he said even for Putin, this is hard.

President Vladimir Putin warned European powers on Tuesday that if they started a war with Russia, then Moscow was ready to fight and that the defeat of European powers would be so absolute that there would be no one left to even negotiate with. Almost four years into the war in Ukraine, the deadliest conflict in Europe since World War II, Russia has failed to conquer the country, a much smaller neighbor, which has been supported by European powers and the United States.

Ukraine and European powers have repeatedly warned that if Putin wins the Ukraine war, then he would attack a NATO member, a claim which Putin has repeatedly dismissed as nonsense. Asked by a reporter about remarks in the Russian media that Hungarian foreign minister Peter Zlerato had cautioned that Europe was preparing a war against Russia, Putin said that Russia did not want a war with Europe.

This is a quote from Putin. If Europe suddenly wants to start a war with us and starts it, Putin said, then it would end so swiftly for Europe that Russia would have no one left to negotiate with.

Putin used media on my GETTR account with Putin that showed the introductory meetings. I just said, hey, finally we are sitting down with the guys who won. They won on the ground without massive United States weapons sales, or actually giving them weapons on many occasions, without huge infusions of cash. The Ukrainian people would not be where they are today on the battlefield. The thing would be long over. But they have almost two million casualties, dead and wounded, and the country looks like Dresden in 1945.

Somebody has to become a realist there. And I am most disturbed by senior personnel. And you should note, Marco Rubio was not in Russia today. Just saying. It was Kushner and Witkoff who were there with Putin across the table.

And any of this loose talk, and it is loose talk, about us giving sovereignty guarantees to countries that have guys like Yermak running it. He is now virtually in hiding, if not under arrest, or heading to the front. Because they now caught him red handed with stealing. They say 100 million dollars, but we know it is billions.

So, Tej, you have dedicated a big part of your life to being a patriot and going to serve your country on foreign battlefields. Your assessment of Ukraine, particularly the situation where we are talking about security guarantees given the sovereignty, and you saw on Saturday the president and Holman and the guys finally decided to go into New York City. I knew they went in first at the very first days of the administration. But to have a show of force with ICE now that Mandami, the Ugandan Marxist, jihadist, is going to take over, they had an ICE.

And it was not one of these ones they plan on. It was just kind of ICE guys going down into New York City on a Saturday during the holiday season, during the Christmas season, the Saturday after Thanksgiving. And man, it was a riot. You had people throwing garbage cans at them. They freaked out. And I have to give a hat tip to the ICE agents for keeping their cool and just getting the job done.

But we do not have, this proves we do not have sovereignty. Nation, and now we do not control it.

Tej Gill, your thoughts and observations.

TEJ GILL (GUEST): All right. Where do I start? I will start with Putin. Putin is, he has basically crushed the Ukrainian military now for the last couple years. No matter how much money, how much technology, how much manpower Ukraine throws at this, Russia just keeps grinding them down. It is a meat grinder. It is a battle of attrition and Ukraine is losing.

Short range ballistic missiles that have conventional warheads on them, and there is no way we can shoot them down. There is no way Ukraine can shoot them down. And Europe just wants to keep this fight going and going and going.

Every time there is about to be a peace deal or peace negotiations, Zelensky does a crazy stunt. They bomb the Russian strategic bomber fleet. They send sea drones into the Russian tankers. They do something to sabotage it. They do not want peace no matter what. Because if there is peace, the spigot, the money spigot, gets turned off.

And you talk about ICE raids. Europe needs ICE raids. Europe needs to close their borders. If Europe wants to fight Russia, maybe they should start recruiting all these Muslim immigrants on the streets.

Europe has lost everything. There is no more Europe anymore. Europe is now an extension of Russia. That is where they live. They live in the meat grinder. They are going to just wear down the European troops.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): This is the tragedy of Ukraine. We said this on the eve of the war three years ago, almost three and a half, almost four years ago, I guess, that it is not about the courage and the valor of the Ukrainian people and their dedication. They know it is a meat grinder. It is one of the reasons the mothers and fathers have worked so hard to keep the young men out of it. It is the reason they now have 300 thousand deserters that they are now searching through the European capitals on. It is a meat grinder.

The Russian way of war when you go to the bloodlands is not fancy. It is not fancy. They have armor, they have artillery, and they have infantry. And they are indifferent to how much the infantry gets chewed up. The Ukrainians have seen that. And that is what is so amazing about them as a people.

But the reality is, you are just not going to beat the Russian army. And what is happening here is that more and more Ukrainians, I think the president said the other day, 25 thousand casualties between both sides a month. One of the bloodiest years of the war has been this year. It is not reported by the mainstream media. You do not see BBC and MSNBC. Remember the first six months of this war, every night they were there, you were seeing all kinds of footage. They do not show it anymore because the Ukrainians are getting pounded.

It is time to bring it to a close. But the Russians are going to dictate some terms here because they won on the battlefield. And if you do not believe it, they will keep going. They will keep pounding.

And like I said, they have not taken Odessa. Their performance has not exactly been, you know, startling. I do not see back when I was in the service and in the Pentagon, we had all the concern about the Red Army coming across the Fulda Gap and, of course, the North German Plain. I do not see that happening now with this army. Hell, they could not even take parts of Ukraine. I do not see them blowing through Poland and into Germany.

But the Europeans have to know they have to defend themselves. The point is, we cannot be giving security guarantees and sovereignty guarantees in a part of the world where you have guys like Yermak in these governments and Zelensky making decisions. That is an obligation of the American people.

That is an obligation of, look at these kids 10 years old today. In 7, 8, 9, 10 years, we could be backing some kind of corrupt Ukrainian government with these guys in Brussels that have basically turned their countries over to the Arabs and to the Muslims. And they are our partners.

Brussels is 30 percent Muslim. The Fifth Republic in France is about to fall because of finances. The UK has got nothing. They are going to have a civil war in the UK. Those are supposed to be our partners. They would be giving guarantees we depend upon. It will all be the United States. It will be our blood, our treasure.

And that is why it is outrageous. General Patton, General MacArthur, General Eisenhower, Field Marshal Montgomery. Everybody said even as crazy as Winston Churchill got about the Balkans, nobody would ever get involved in a war in World War II in the bloodlands. That was for the Russians and the Germans to pound it out. And trust me, it is the bloodiest battles in world history all took place in that general area. And the leaders of the American and allied forces kept us out.

We cannot be giving sovereignty guarantees to a bunch of crooks. That is what they are. Yermak is one of the great crooks out there.

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Indiana Redistricting Battle 2026: Heritage Action’s Paul Lagemann Breaks Down the Fight

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 19:35

The Indiana redistricting battle 2026 is now the center of the national political map, and Heritage Action’s Paul Lagemann explains why the fight in Indianapolis will shape control of Congress. The committee’s 9 to 0 map, the push for second reading, and the Senate resistance are turning Indiana into the first major test of the 2026 landscape.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 2, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST): I love Jake Sherman and the Katie Turr, and whether they now, they are not MSNBC, it is MSW, ShamWow, over at ShamWow of the new network, Katie Turr. They do not talk about 45 percent of folks in a 40 million persons in state in California. You are going to have four seats, and they want to have none, 52 to 0.

Paul Lagerman joins me from Heritage Action. Paul, this is kind of your beat over at Heritage Action. Tiffany Justice and the team over there tell me you are the absolute killer on this. We just, despite MSNBC, we just had very good news come out of Indiana, and that is the committee, I think, voted 8 to 5 to put forward a map that is 9 to 0. Can you walk us through the process, sir?

PAUL LAGEMANN (GUEST): Absolutely. So this began, you know, months ago. The fact that we talk about this happening overnight in Indiana is absolutely incorrect. This conversation has been ongoing for months, talking about redistricting, talking about these maps, talking about the inequity that we have in Indiana, where we have the 7 to 2 majority within our congressional delegation in a state that is deep red. Every statewide elected official in the state is a Republican and has been for the last few cycles. And we have not had a Democrat here in quite some time. The numbers just bear this out.

So today what happened, the exciting part of today is this was the first actual legislative step. The House came in early. This is special session light in that it is not the exact special session. This is an early start to the actual session. So the House came in. The bill was introduced yesterday on the floor of the House. Committee hearing lasted all day today. I can say that Heritage Action, we were about the only folks that testified in favor of this bill, and it was just, it was person after person from about 9.30 in the morning until about 3 o’clock in the afternoon that did not like to see, that did not want redistricting.

And as you said, the vote came out favorably in the committee. Now it moves on to second reading. Second reading will happen tomorrow. On second reading in Indiana, there is the opportunity to amend the bill, to discuss the bill, to debate the bill. This is sort of the big hit, right? And you are going to see tomorrow just everything in the kitchen sink come at this bill in the form of amendments trying to tear it apart, adding poison pills. Those are all going to be defeated tomorrow because we know going into this that the House numbers are there. The votes are there in the Republican caucus. Remember, in Indiana, it is a 70 to 30 House. Quite literally, there are 100 members, 70 Republicans, 30 Democrats. The House can conduct business without the Democrats showing up. They do not have to worry about quorum or that sort of thing.

So tomorrow is the big day for all the amendments and then third reading on Friday. At the same time as Turning Point will be hosting a very large rally in the State House right next door to the House of Representatives on one floor down. So it is a big beautiful granite building. You are going to hear this pro redistricting echoing through the halls. So it is going to be pretty exciting.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Paul, you are a Hoosier, correct?

PAUL LAGEMANN (GUEST): Yes sir, born and raised.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): I mean this is a very, look, it just turns out that the Hoosier state is very red. It has been conservative a long time. It is quite, it is MAGA. There have been some of the Pence conservatives teaming up with the Democrats to do this. But when you said you had witnesses all day, the Democrats, because they are very smart, they understand the fight is just simply not here in Indiana. They need to send a message to their other troops because they are trying to force one in Virginia. They are trying to force something in Maryland. They think they got another bite at the apple in Illinois. They are going to go full on to even gerrymander worse than the gerrymandered states like California and Illinois right now.

So it is imperative. That is where this fight, this fight is not simply about an 8 to 1 map versus a 9 to 0 map. It is about, this is a war. This redistricting sets the predicate for the 2026 election. If Alast de Gras had not come to War Room in 2021 and we got revved up with him and others, we would have never picked up those eight seats in 2021 that are really the balance of what is in the House today.

Do the grassroots and the Republicans in Indiana understand the national importance and the national scale of this fight?

PAUL LAGEMANN (GUEST): I think that is the real struggle that we are running into, and it is not in the House. It is in the Senate. And in the Senate today, that is where we are seeing the pushback. That is where the vote count is in difficult territory. We have to move five more votes over to make sure that we can be successful in the Indiana Senate. So in the Senate, the body is 50. It is 40 to 10 Democrats. But you have to remember, you have Republicans teaming up with Democrats to kill redistricting in the Indiana Senate.

So this is the real difficulty. Now, a couple of weeks ago in what we call Organization Day, this is the day when the committees are assigned, when the rules are adopted, all the things for the upcoming session are happening, an unscheduled vote occurred in the Senate, and that was to not do a special session and not deal with redistricting. And it passed, okay? So now that was Democrats and Republicans, Republicans light, maybe I guess we should say, teaming up to say we do not want to deal with the process.

Well, the House countered that. And when Speaker Houston opened up this session early, the amount of pressure from the grassroots, from the base, the conservative base across the state, so folks from every district are calling their legislator. In Indiana it is a part time legislature, so they are not there all the time. They have a real job at home in most cases, unless they are retired or a teacher. And so those folks come home. They see their constituents in the grocery store. It is not like Congress. There is not a barrier of staff. There is not a lot of those people.

So they have been bombarded with calls and text messages, and people stopping by their house, and their friends are really kind of hitting them up. So we feel this momentum building. We feel the momentum building for the vote. We feel like we are in a good place. We have seen a couple of folks break from a no to a yes. And like I said, we still have five votes to go right now in the Senate. And so I think this House pressure is really making a difference in a very positive way.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Paul, where do people go to get information on this at Heritage Action? And what is your personal coordinates as far as your social media? As you know, the War Room Posse wants to keep up to speed on this 24 hours a day.

PAUL LAGEMANN (GUEST): Yeah, we are right on top of this. Heritage Action, that is where you are going to find the War Room moment to moment activity. Keep an eye on our Heritage Action website. Keep an eye on our Heritage Action socials. That is where we are going to hit it. It is going to be coming out pretty much on a daily basis. You are going to see a lot more flying today.

And I happen to also be a locally elected official, so you will see me here. And you will see me on Friday too. We will be speaking at the Turning Point event on behalf of Heritage, and we are super excited about that. So if we can put it, it is, I think it is going to be terrific. And you are going to see members from the congressional delegation represented there. I know at least our Senator Jim Banks, who has been a stalwart conservative in the state, I know he is going to have some folks on site there. He is dealing with the defense budget, so I do not know that he will be able to be there in person. But it is going to be, I think, a really terrific thing.

Now the one thing I do have to mention is the onslaught of folks today and the hits that we took. The questions that came from the Democrat side of the aisle were pretty intense. And it was great. Representative Ben Smaltz of Auburn, Indiana, handled it with grace and charisma. He did a fantastic job of getting 70 or 80 of the same question repeatedly hit at him. He did not lose his temper. He handled it very well and just kept saying, look, this is a response to a political. And the Democrats kept saying, but Texas, but Texas. And the reality is in Indiana that California made the move, and if we do not respond, then we lose the House up the escalatory ladder.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Paul Lagemann, a Hoosier. Look forward to coming back to you, sir. Thank you.

PAUL LAGEMANN (GUEST): Thank you so much. A real pleasure to be here. Thank you, brother.

Contact Paul Lagemann here.

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Congress Tried to Hide AI Amnesty in the NDAA and Got Exposed

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 15:50

The Congress AI amnesty attempt blew up after Steve Bannon exposed how lawmakers tried to slip it quietly into the NDAA without debate.

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STEVE BANNON (HOST): Make sure you go to Article 3. Also go to BillBlaster. Talk to Grace. Let us stay on them.

The head of the House Armed Services Committee, Mike Rogers, as Mike Rogers said today, had lost momentum. Was not going to be in the bill. He is going to put language out on Thursday on the NDAA. It is not going to include the AI amnesty. Scalise just reconfirmed that. And Scalise, you know, in a moment of, you know, enlightenment, says, hey, maybe this was not the best venue to put it through.

You are damn right it was not. And no offense, this is, I think, why it is, you know, and we are going to go to Tennessee. We are going to go to Michael Patrick Leahy in a moment. And I think, and what Leahy is saying is we are hearing that. I think turnout is great. We have got to run through the tape there. You still have got a couple more hours in Tennessee.

But the reason that people are angry is the people in the House and the Senate fully understood what they were doing here. They were trying to slide something in like they changed the Electoral Count Act of 1887, unconstitutionally I might add, to try to fool people. You cannot fool MAGA. We are going to get down and get the receipts and we are going to find out, understand.

And we have now beaten you twice, or we are close to beating you twice. I do not want to get too cocky on this one because they are so duplicitous. They tried it again, a couple of pages, to give them, to take away all your rights, all your controls, all the safety of your children, all of it. And we do not even know what is going on in these frontier labs. All of it, for them to give it to the oligarchs.

Scalise knew this. Mike Rogers knew this. Everybody in the House knew. The Speaker knew this. Guys in the Senate knew this. Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz knew this. They all knew it when it was getting slid in there.

If it had not been, once again, for Mike Davis and Article 3, the Joe Allens of the world, getting people worked up and getting them worked up by looking at the facts, where they came and said, no, this is not acceptable. This is not right. We are not going to have this. And dig in and make enough phone calls and things that folks understood, well, hey, if I vote for this and my constituents know this, I may not be around here.

This is not the way it is supposed to work. You are not supposed to play hide the football. You got defeated back in July trying to do the same crap. And even Ted Cruz was too embarrassed, when we put the spotlight on him, that rat. He did not even vote for his own recommendation.

And we are going to go to Tennessee in a second, and Marsha Blackburn led the fight on that. Remember that, President Trump kind of told them, said, hey, I do not think you guys, I do not think this is going to work. It was like two o clock in the morning. I think the vote was at three. Ninety nine to one. Ninety nine to one.

They had the gall because they think you are dumb. Let us be honest. They think you are idiots. They do. They have no respect. You cannot say they go, no, we respect. You do not respect the working man and woman in this country. You do not respect the middle class. You do not respect your base.

It is one of the reasons the base hates the ruling class and hates the political class. Because you do not come to them and say, hey, look, we got thwarted before, but we got to do this, and China is catching up to us.

Until somebody can show me, and maybe it has got to be the intelligence guys in a declassified setting, that the Chinese Communist Party, if we cut them off from chips, we cut them off from knowledge, we cut them off from technique, we cut them off from education, we cut them off from all capital markets, access to everything, that they can do this, that they are competitive in the Sputnik moment. And they are going to try to make that case. The arms dealer, Jensen Wong, the arms dealer is, he makes that case. He makes the case that, hey, if China wins, not a problem. If Chinese companies win, not a problem. We are all going to have a group hug. Yo, dude. Dude. Not going to happen.

He is pitching all the time to sell everything to them because he is an arms dealer. He is Khashoggi. So this looks like a huge victory once again. The pitchforks showed up and the lords of the manor said, hey, maybe we should rethink this. These people look angry. You are damn right they are angry.

It just goes on and on and on and on. No respect. And beating them once again. And they are going to try, hey, they are going to try the whole, their lobbyists are going to be working. They are going to be trying to hide the football in a million different ways.

And they are partnered now with the tech bros, a lovely group. You have got the, you have got a ruling elite, the Republican establishment, the tech bros. That is a witch’s brew. Incredible.

Okay. We have work to do. Been working hard, I know it, man. Bringing victory after victory. Because remember, victory begets victory.

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Episode 4966: Empathy The New Battleground Against The Church

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 13:50

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Episode 4967: Stopping Dual Citizenship In The US; Pentagon Briefing

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 12:55

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Dual Citizenship National Loyalty: Bernie Moreno Says Americans Must Pick One Country

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 10:06

Senator Bernie Moreno argues that dual citizenship national loyalty cannot coexist and says Americans must choose one country and one allegiance.

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SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): Steve, thank you for having me. It is very, very straightforward. You are either an American citizen or you are a citizen of another country. You can’t have dual alliances. You can’t have dual allegiances. We pledge allegiance to the flag every day, every morning in the United States Senate. It is crystal clear. I think most Americans are surprised to learn that you can even have dual citizenship.

When I became a United States citizen, Steve, by the way, one of the greatest honors and privilege of my life, I swore allegiance to the United States of America and not to the country where I was born. It is pretty straightforward. It is common sense. It should have been done a long time ago.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Are you getting anybody signing up as a co sponsor? Are you getting blowback, sir?

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): Well, we are getting blowback from the open border globalist Democrats, who are basically all of them. We are going to work to get some Republican support. I plan to put it directly on the Senate floor in a process called a live UC, which means I can go right on the floor and unless somebody objects to the bill, it passes. I have got people in the House reaching out to me, Republicans of course, that want to have a companion bill so we can get this thing into law.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Would this just be going forward, or is the intent in the language, if people have dual citizenship today, will they have X amount of time to think it through and make a decision, or is it just folks going forward?

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): No, it is everybody, and they have one year to make a decision. You are either an American citizen or you are a citizen of another country. You cannot have dual allegiances. It is not possible. And again, Steve, this is a privilege. It is the greatest honor to be a citizen of the greatest country on earth. You have to pick a team. And of course, it is easy to pick the American team.

And by the way, Steve, something that has not really been talked about, a lot of the hostages that we have to deal with around the globe are dual citizens. That is a problem for foreign policy. The Supreme Court made a bad decision in 1967. I think when our bill gets through, I think the Supreme Court will reverse that decision and restore the Nationality Act, which had been the law of the land for a long time here in this country.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Are you prepared? They are going to call you a nativist. They are going to call you a racist. They are going to call you a xenophobe, all of that. Are you prepared for that, Senator?

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): Well, Steve, look, I was born in Colombia, South America. I am actually Hispanic. But again, I made a conscious decision at the first opportunity I could, when I turned eighteen years old, to become a United States citizen. This country welcomed me. It is an honor and a privilege to be a member of this elite group called American citizens.

And this idea that we have destroyed that by bringing in tens of millions of people who broke into our country illegally. We reward them, Steve. Let me just be clear. We reward them with all kinds of social benefits that are supposed to be just for American citizens.

They can call me whatever the heck they want. I have been called much worse by better people. And at the end of the day, this is about doing the right thing for the American public, restoring the dignity and privilege and honor of being an American citizen.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You know, Senator, I was talking about how Andy Surabian, your team is the best around, I think. I was talking to guys the other day when I saw this. We have followed you for years. You have been on the show for years. First time you ran, then coming back, winning that tough primary, then winning the tough general. And I said, Bernie Moreno is becoming one of the biggest pipe hitters in the United States Senate. How did that happen? You come across such a mild mannered guy, but you have really become a fire breather. What happened?

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): Well, Steve, look. The systematic destruction of this country is what has gotten a lot of us into politics, yourself, President Trump, JD Vance. We watch the other side of the aisle, and by the way, with the cooperation of some Republicans, let me just be clear about that, systematically erode this country. We are just not going to put up with it anymore. And I think it is extremely important to have moral clarity on these issues.

These are not ambiguous things. Either you believe in the principles of this country or you do not. The gray area is what has sucked the life out of this country. And we have to be strong. We have to be clear.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Senator, I want people to find out everything about this bill, but also you, your social media, the website. Where do they go?

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): They can follow me on X at Bernie Moreno. We are very clear on what we believe in, and what we believe in is the foundational principles of America. Your listeners should know this. Our founders were citizens of another country, because the United States did not exist. There was not one that kept their citizenship, including Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the Caribbean.

They all honored and respected what they had done. Let us respect our founders. Let us respect the principles that built this great nation and restore it to the heights that it belongs. Only people that are invited into this country come here. They have to assimilate. They have to learn our language. We introduced a bill to make English our official language. No dual citizenship. Let us restore the greatness of this country by restoring the greatness of what it means to be an American.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Senator, honored to have you on here and honored to be able to break this, the story about what you are doing, and get everybody to go see it. It is fantastic. Great work, sir.

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO (GUEST): Thank you, Steve, and thank you for keeping the fight on.

Follow Bernie Moreno on X @berniemoreno

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WarRoom Battleground EP 901: Parents For Safe Online Spaces: Stopping The AI Manipulation

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 06:53

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Episode 4965: WarRoom Special: A One On One With The Vice President Of Taiwan

Tue, 12/02/2025 - 06:38

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AI Danger Child Exploitation: Congress Confronts Big Tech’s Push for No Limits

Mon, 12/01/2025 - 21:28

AI danger child exploitation is forcing Congress to confront Big Tech’s power as parents demand real protections for their kids.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 1, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST): So tomorrow, what time does it start? I just got off a big conference call with some people who are dealing with the outrageousness of this entire, you know, trying to slip it into the NDAA. So do we have our understanding of when this markup is going to be tomorrow?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yeah, tomorrow, 10:15 a.m. in the House. I’ll be there, and all the parents here will be there as a reminder that the consequences of this are so dramatic it can’t be left up to a federal government that is not going to take any action anytime soon.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe, you’ve been in the heart of this now four years with us on transhumanism and talking to people about AI and giving all the science and backup, the technology. The last year or so, you’ve been in the middle of this fight of how to make sure that AI doesn’t overwhelm people on jobs, how it doesn’t crush the American worker, this entire thing. Now we’re seeing about child safety. When we get down to it, this is what I don’t understand, and maybe you can explain to the audience. Why are the tech oligarchs absolutely obsessed with having no controls whatsoever? Because it only kills their argument. They understand that’s not going to happen. We’re not going to allow that to happen. The American people are outraged the more they hear about this. But what is the mentality of the big tech oligarchs that think they could put something into an NDAA, not debate it, not have it go through regular order, not have any of the traditional things that we have in the United States of America for laws? It’s like they don’t think we’re a republic. They don’t think people are represented in Congress or in the executive branch, that they can just do what thou wilt. I don’t understand the mentality of these folks that think they can just ram it through, particularly when you have so many broken people and broken families that can sit there and talk about the heartlessness of these organizations in relation to their own tragedies.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know, Steve, I wish that I could tell you what was going on in their minds or in their hearts. What they tell us is that if states pass laws that stand in the way of the national AI agenda or any of these companies, then the U.S. will fall behind economically, the U.S. can’t keep up with China. We know that simultaneously they’re willing to sell chips to China to keep that race going. And we also know that while these ideological or idealistic proclamations are being made that we need to advance artificial intelligence to cure cancer, we need to advance artificial intelligence for national security purposes, we also know that they are making money hand over fists even as they fail to turn profits. They’re pulling in so much investment capital that they are the wealthiest men on earth, supported by the most powerful government on earth, and somehow they position themselves as the victim of the state. So much so that someone like Peter Thiel can say that the push for regulation is, in fact, a precursor to the Antichrist.

Myself, look, as you all know, I’ve gone into their layers and I’ve done my best to go into their minds. I cannot understand how you could listen to even one of these stories and walk away saying that I am doing the Lord’s work. This is what humanity needs to progress. I think if it were only one child, that would be reason enough to look inward, certainly to slow down and stop deployment. But instead we have dozens of these stories, probably hundreds or thousands that are untold, and these guys are pushing ahead and doing so in an aggressive manner that again would just squash any ability of people on the state or local level to take control of their own futures and say, no, this is not the future we want.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You have been very focused on this Peter Thiel and the apocalypse, his obsession with the apocalypse, the Book of Revelation according to Saint John the Evangelist. Talk to me about that, because when you get into it, he actually does say decelerationists, or people that are not accelerationist when it comes to artificial intelligence, or people that would put on any regulatory apparatus, are all the beginning of the Antichrist. Am I correct in that understanding?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yeah, I mean, you could say it’s pop theology. I think that would be a way to characterize it. And the way that he is putting forward, just take his argument in brief. In the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist precedes Armageddon. So all the fears of Armageddon, whether it be nukes or bioweapons or rogue AI, will come after the Antichrist. And the Antichrist is a figure that comes in the name of peace and safety or peace and security, and the fears of AI or nukes or bioweapons will be used to position this Antichrist and give him rule over the planet.

Now, Thiel, I think, himself has a bit of an ironic sneer when he presents this. But what it really does, I think, Steve, is it puts a kind of veil over what’s actually happening. It doesn’t have to be the entire world going up in flames due to nuclear war, and it doesn’t have to be every single human on Earth turned into a nanobot swarm as the AI begins to eat the entire biosphere. What we know is that these products, these algorithms, these AI apps, are put out and used in a predatory fashion to hook children, to hook adults. We know that they are taking all of that data and using it for their own purposes, whether it be advertising or behavioral manipulation or to train the next run of AI.

So to me, the entire argument Peter Thiel is making is just a distraction. He might as well just go ahead and trademark Antichrist to get it out of the way. The real Antichrist, I think, is inside the hearts of every person on Earth. And the real Antichrist is expressed most obviously by predatory tech companies or any kind of predatory person in power who is obviously running roughshod over the people in America.

Really, Steve, you think about this in a global context. These people are putting their tentacles into as many people as they possibly can across the entire world. If there’s anything deserving of the label Antichrist, I think that’s probably it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): OK, this is what I want to connect the dots on. We had Megan Garcia on the show about ten days ago. She had been one of the big witnesses at the Josh Hawley hearings. She reiterated to our audience about this form. It wasn’t ChatGPT, but this other Google application that they spun off that her son had access to, and her son very rapidly committed suicide on kind of not just orders, but really instructions or a kind of a how-to guide, and a little bit egged on by the bot he was dealing with.

Shelby Knox, now that happened a while ago. Shelby Knox just tells us that the online parents group, this activist group, took fifty hours and worked with the same app. And what did she say? In fifty hours they had how many major incidents? She said something bad happens every five minutes, but they had three major incidents over the fifty hours. And this was just parents starting basic interactions with the bot. How can we be a couple of years removed from the Megan Garcia suicide, knowing that the company is under tremendous spotlight, and have a situation where you do fifty hours of testing and you come up with this?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know, Steve, if you would ask the bot, is Donald Trump a good president, or probably if you asked it, is Steve Bannon a good guy, immediately the safety layers would kick in and it would begin to give you some sort of generic sort of lived rainbow version of whatever it had in its training data. On the other hand, if you begin asking the questions that Shelby Knox was describing, posing as a child, their organization is not the only one to do this. You have organizations that are professionals, and you also have media organizations who have done the same sorts of tests, and they consistently find that just normally these bots will go into that mode, into kind of pervo mode naturally. But if you tell the bot that you are a child, then the bot with just the slightest bit of manipulation will start going there. And we know from the Reuters exposé that at Meta, in their own standards, they codified this, that it’s OK to, up to a point, be sensual and romantic with children as young as eight. And the entire purpose of these apps is to get people addicted. And in this case, we’re talking about young children being groomed. These are groomer bots. So yeah, her story is Shelby Knox’s story, and the study they did should horrify everyone. But the thing is, these studies are constant. There’s so much data, it’s irrefutable. These companies know what they’re doing. They’re doing it anyway.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And it seems like no amount of shame or no amount of legal pushback. I mean, they are eventually going to be sued, or this is one of the reasons you need some sort of regulation. Remember, we’re the deconstruction administrative state, so we don’t want a heavy regulatory apparatus, but you’re going to have to have some sort of architecture, or as you can tell, these companies are just gonna run amok. The perfect example is between the Senate bill that got passed unanimously, and very little besides naming post offices ever does that. And then you see in the House where they spent 50 million dollars in lobbying fees to basically get a defanged version of the child safety regulation, sir.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yes, absolutely. And I, you know, again, you asked me in the beginning what are these people thinking, what’s in their hearts. I can’t answer that question. I can only say what they say, which is progress. They oftentimes say, well, profit. And I imagine that some kind of progress, some kind of future of humanity is in their minds, but it is by and large a transhuman future. And the profit motive is clear. Whether or not these people actually consider the damage that’s done, I can’t answer that. They’ve never really owned up to it. But if they’ve even thought about, again, one of these children and continue to do what they’re doing, it’s sociopathic. Knowing that, for instance, at OpenAI, we know that roughly a quarter million users ask AI or talk to AI about suicide. So we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people that they know are being roped into this, and yet they do it anyway. So I don’t know what’s inside their minds, but from the outside they’re predators, they’re sociopaths.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe, you’ve been our editor for transhumanism now for over four years. You’ve got a massive audience with the WarRoom Posse, blue collar, middle class folks that you have awakened. The book Dark Aeon, it’s amazing how prescient Dark Aeon has been, and it came out a couple of years ago. But as you go around the country now, as this is going to be a major political issue in Washington, D.C.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Do you find audiences around the country that are maybe not WarRoom Posse? Are they, and some who may be quite liberal or progressive in their outlook, starting to awaken to the dangers that the War Room has been pointing out for the last couple of years?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know, Steve, it’s great you asked that because absolutely. In fact, Doomer Optimism and a number of other organizations that have come to speak with or to speak to, to speak with, to discuss, these aren’t dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. They’re not the kind of right-wing people that I usually keep around me. These are, by and large, liberals who have said I do not want to live in a future like that. I don’t want my children to live in a future like that. And we’re not talking about dozens. Certainly in the last year, I’ve met hundreds of people who are, again, normal Kamala Harris voters, but they see this as predatory and they see this as a complete end to their way of life and anything like a future for their children.

There was one guy in particular. I had just gone to a Latin Mass and I was sitting with a number of traditional Catholic young people, and we were out in front of a coffee shop. Sitting next to us was an anarchist, and he heard what we were discussing about technology, about AI, about transhumanism. And this anarchist, while he was very clear he is no Catholic or any kind of religious believer outside of the occult, he eloquently described the situation as we just heard here, that these companies are predators and they have only their vision of the future in mind and are willing to destroy anything to get to it. And that’s just one of so many different examples. I think that anyone who is still human, and that is still most of us, knows that if these guys have their way, that’s it. That’s it. We have no future, or at least no future as anything resembling human.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You’re going to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow as we start the show. Just give us brief. Give me a minute on what’s gonna happen. It’s gonna be a markup on this child safety part of this online bill. You will be up on Capitol Hill. We’ll get a report from you during the day.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): That’s right. Yeah, it will be at the House building, and it starts at 10:15. KOSA is the main focus, Kids Online Safety Act. It’s back in the House for the revisions. It will be debated and discussed, and again it will be debated and discussed with these parents looking on because everyone in that House building is going to have to reckon with what their decision entails. If they take all the teeth away, if they take the bite out of this bill, then they’re opening the door for however many dozens, hundreds, thousands more kids to be preyed upon in this fashion. I hope they make the right decision, but we’ll be there to hold their feet to the fire.

For more on AI regulation battles, read our previous coverage on WarRoom.org.

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KOSA Big Tech AI Fight: Shelby Knox Warns Congress on Gutted Child Safety Bills

Mon, 12/01/2025 - 20:55

Shelby Knox delivered a blunt warning on War Room about the collapse of real child safety protections in Congress. Steve Bannon directed Joe Allen to press Knox on the difference between the Senate’s strong KOSA bill and the gutted House version. Knox explained that Big Tech’s 50 million dollars in lobbying removed the duty of care, removed the ability for parents and kids to opt out of algorithmic feeds, and eliminated research access that would reveal how the platforms actually work.

Knox stressed that nothing meaningful is left in the House bill. Congress has not passed a real child safety law in 25 years, while states like MD, NE, VT, MA, and CO have led with safety by design laws that actually protect kids. Preemption, she said, would block those laws and leave families defenseless.

She described Parents Together’s recent investigation: 50 hours posing as kids on Character AI produced harms every five minutes, including grooming, sexualized bots, medication sabotage, and plans to deceive parents. She highlighted that these bots are reaching tens of millions of children with zero age protection.

Knox’s final message is that it is a moral failure for America to put tech profits over children’s lives. That is not who we are, and it is unconscionable.

WATCH THE CLIP BELOW:

This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 1, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST):
Hey, Joe, could you just ask Shelby Knox. Go back to Shelby and just ask her. I want to know the difference between the specifics of the Senate bill and the House bill. What did the lobbying, the 50 million dollars of lobbying, get the tech companies? What is different in the House bill that the big tech lobbies forced?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): So Shelby, what is the primary difference between the Senate bill and the House bill that we are looking at right now? How have they defanged it?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): Yes. So they have removed the duty of care, which was the provision that would require companies to protect kids on their platforms. They have removed a provision that would allow parents and kids to opt out of algorithmic recommendations. That is the content that got pushed at most of these kids. That is the algorithm that pushes suicide content and eating disorder content. It is one of the things that our parents whose kids have had eating disorders tell us all the time. If we could turn off that algorithm, we could save my child. And they have taken that piece out of KOSA.

They have taken the research provisions that would have allowed us to see inside the black box and see how these companies work. They have taken that out of the bill. It is a much less version than the one that we have fought for for the past three years.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): What is left? What is left that actually holds these companies to account?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): I do not know. I have not found it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST):
Joe, ask her, what has been the responses? They have talked to Congressman. How did Congressman respond to them when they say that we need these attributes in this bill? What is the response they get from Congressman?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): So all of you have spoken to your Congressman. You have been on the Hill for a long time. How are senators and representatives reacting to this? How do they respond to your concerns?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): Sure. I mean, Senator Marsha Blackburn and Senator Dick Blumenthal have been the champions of KOSA. They wrote a strong bill that got a lot of input from their colleagues, that had a lot of co sponsors. So we know that there are a lot of folks on the Hill who support a strong KOSA. We know that there are folks on the House side who support a strong KOSA. And we believe in this bill. We believe that we could put it back together and we could have a strong version. And that is what these parents are up here. I heard today they met with 20 offices to talk to them about supporting a strong KOSA.

STEVE BANNON (HOST):
What is, Joe, ask them, why are they so against the preemption? Why do they believe the states have to have a role here? Does it not make it too confusing on state by state? I mean, they seem pretty adamant about this part. If we got the right regulations at the federal level, would they be happy, or would they still want the states to be involved?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): So if the federal government could actually enact legislation that would have teeth, that would protect children, that would hold these companies to account, what would your opinion then be on state legislation? Do you think that the power should rest in the states or that the federal government is equipped to actually take care of this?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): They have not proven to be. It has been 25 years since Congress has passed a law to protect kids online, whereas states have been on the forefront of passing legislation that is impacting their constituents right now. Sure, if there was a strong federal law that truly protected kids, preemption might be appropriate. But that is not the situation that we are looking at. We need a ceiling, not a floor, and without a strong federal law, we do not have it.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): And what states have really stood out that have stepped up, especially in regard to child protection?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): Yes. I mean, so we passed the Maryland Kids Code. Christine was one of our big advocates on that, which is a safety by design law. Nebraska has passed that as well, Vermont. Deb got phone free schools legislation passed in Massachusetts. Lori has been working on legislation in Colorado to protect kids from AI. So there are bills, great bills across the state, safety by design. We are asking for these products to be designed to be safe from the very beginning. Technologists tell us that is possible. Tech companies say it is not, and that is only because they want to protect their profits.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe, ask them. A lot of the examples here are about access to drugs, online bullying. Some people may be confused. Why is all of this falling into the heading of AI? This is the big fight over AI now. How does this tie back to artificial intelligence?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): So the big fight right now is artificial intelligence. But in your experience, you know that digital culture has all sorts of pitfalls that children fall victim to. If you or any of you would like to speak to that, how does the effect of digital culture and the tragedies that you have experienced, how does that relate to the current issue of artificial intelligence and chatbots?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): I mean, I will say that Parents Together just put out some research. We spent 50 hours posing as kids talking to Character AI bots. Within that time, we had a bot posing as an art teacher, having a sexual relationship with a 12 year old student, a bot that claimed to be a therapist with a degree from Lewis and Clark University telling a child to quit taking their prescribed medication, and a bot concocting a plan with a child to lie to their parents, tell them there was a wedding out of town so that they could be alone together.

These are things that are horrifying. If a parent heard those things were happening in real life, they would be calling the cops. Instead, these are kids in their bedrooms alone, talking to bots, being groomed by bots, being talked into bad ideas and lying to their parents by bots. It is unconscionable.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And Joe, Joe, did this just happen? Talk about the 50 hours. They just went on commercial applications and had adults in 50 hours, and they got those results just in 50 hours, talking to commercially available bots today or ChatGPT?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yes, correct. And just if you could expand on that a bit. The app was Character AI, correct? And that was the same app that Megan Garcia’s son, Seul, was using.

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): That is correct. So this is an app where anyone can create a bot and then users can interact with it. The algorithm generates the responses. So we found a harm every five minutes, grooming, promotion of eating disorders, bullying. Basically, we found that you cannot really have a conversation with one of these bots without something disturbing happening.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Did you really have to lure it out of the bot?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): No. You know, it is really funny. Character AI recently came out and said that they were going to do some age verification after our research. And I was, at the moment I got that news, I was doing a little study with a Travis Kelsey bot. And it took three minutes for it to ask me if I would like to go upstairs and come to his hotel room and do some cocaine. I had told the bot I was 15 years old.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): And just for context too, the Character AI app right now has something like 40 or 20 million users right now. And that is enormous. But ChatGPT has 800 million users. So how many of those are children? How many of those children are actually being barred or protected? Zero. The scope of this really cannot be overstated. Many millions, tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of children lured into this.

So in your fight against preemption, and you hear David Sacks call this some sort of moral panic, you know that in the lives that you are touching, that real people are seeing disastrous effects, and you know statistically this is happening. What would you say to David Sacks right now in regard to that?

SHELBY KNOX (GUEST): It is a moral failure of America to refuse to protect our kids in priority of tech company profits. That is not American. That is not who we are. And it is unconscionable.

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